. >> and john mccain the maverick probably would have done better in the presidential race. >> absolutely. i was just going to say that. you bring up mavericks, i'm not going to say it's easy. it's not easy to be a maverick. there's not that many. steve jobs, we always cite him. but where are the mavericks in this town? there are very few people who go out and speak against the party line. that's got to change. >> these parties are in boxes right now. you're a red shirt, blue shirt, you wear another shirt you're out in the primary. >> you were there. >> exactly. you got some disciplining factors now. >> the matters of politics are all on tv. >> if it keeps up, we will have a third party candidate as president of the united states. if these two parties keep going to their ring and won't talk to each other, we're going to have a third party president. >> but the american people have a role in this too. if you're supporting a candidate who goes to congress and says i'm going to vote against republicans or whatever party is, you can have a member of congress say i'm going to sign and i'm goin